Gaurav, thanks for your comment on my comment, and as my silly little booboo post is the most inapt place for such a discussion, (and I am sure this one’s going to be really long), considering my inability to be more concise in my expressions, I thought I’d dedicate a whole post to you and your comment.:-)
I think I have been grossly misunderstood, and I really need to clarify a few things here. I had quite a verbal over this with Siddharth (and I am sure you support him), but I quit the argument mid way coz I realized there’s no point arguing over someone’s belief. Every person has their own way of life, which is ruled by their own rules, ideas and beliefs that are part of their personality, and I dont think attempting to change that is great idea.
I have my own set of convictions in life, which I always like to stand by. Justice, righteousness, honesty, patriotism, goodness to name a few - blame it on my “bad” convent education ;), but that’s the way I am. Yes I have blind faith in God. I consider him as my strength. Belief in him makes me a much happier person. May be you don’t believe in God you think of as His majesty as an illusion a fantasy for the fools… that is your way of life. Even believing that He does not exist is also a belief you know!
See, I don’t think anyone is absolutely happy, we’ve all got our own share of sorrow; anguish, I guess they are a part and parcel of our existence. I have some too, and for me God is someone I can always bank on, who would help me pull through my trials and tribulations. By no means does He make me an escapist! No way. I don’t think that when I am down in the dumps I’ll just say a prayer (and believe me I rarely say any) and there he’ll appear, like an old mythological hero, wave a magic wand and whoosh...problem solved, life is nice and rosy again. Heck no! I’d be a fool if I’d run away from a situation like that. Everyone has their own way of dealing with life and I’d like to face it believing I have someone who’s looking after me, is with me in all my tough times. He is the one who inspires me to keep trying. Yes I do like to praise him, but don’t you like to criticize those who do…so how does it matter in the end both of us are happy with what we are doing, right?
Now to come another of your interesting points, the bit about betterment of society, and recovering what we have lost. Lets say that my devotion to him has made me an ignorant soul; and I leave everything to him (which I hope isn’t true), tell me what have you as a non-believer done? Mister, does sitting infront of your comp writing blogs criticizing God punish those people? I don’t think so. I for one can say, that my heart ache for them, and yes I have always made my contribution, (however miniscule they might be!) to the many tragedies that our nation has faced. I am helpless when it comes to actually giving aid to the people with irreplaceable loses, who have faced mental trauma like in Gujrat, but then that’s life isn’t it? I am a very ordinary person and I just cant get down on the roads to chastise those scoundrels who carried out such inhuman atrocities on the innocent. I wish I could, but I cant. But can you? If you know of a way that I, the silly fool who likes to believe in “shabby escapades” doesn’t, please tell me. Show me the way; I’d follow. My God told me to help them in their time of need he dint kill the humanity in me, if your atheist fervour told you something more worthwhile I’d be more than grateful if you share it with me.
The root of all such troubles is the lack of education. I have done my level best to educate the ignorant about the evils plaguing the society. Like how ridiculous the whole idea of fighting over religion is, how the caste system is just bullshit, about women rights, that we should keep our society clean, small things like not throwing rubbish just anywhere and everywhere and yes how important schooling is in every person’s life. I know these efforts of mine would make almost no difference to the demented and distorted culture that I am ashamed to be a part of, but then I do try. I have never stopped trying, nor have I become lax cause I leave everything to him. You want betterment of society …don’t you? Education begins at home. So have you ever taught your servant’s child? How do plan to start mate? By just blogging and calling people’s beliefs crap? Tolerance is something that would be very helpful in building a better world, but you don’t seem to have any!
My praising God does not mean I am not working for the betterment of society, my belief in him gives me a conscience which tells me the right n the wrongs, pushes me to do good. I am more satisfied this way- to be just like I am, happy with whatever he has given me, striving for excellence with whatever comes my way (coz yes I believe in the corny destiny stuff also). He enthuses in me a spirit that helps me too try try till I succeed, to fight back my fears, withstand the painful times, solve my problems … Is that detrimental to our plans of creating a more secure world?
I call it optimism you might say its foolishness. I am a much happier person this way; u can say its ignorance. But then in the end if both of us want the betterment of society, then how does it matter, the way we think? May be you are much more content calling the idea of God shabby and silly, that’s your perception, I have mine. Bottom line is whatever our beliefs may be we’d both like to see these evils eradicated…right? So lets plan on doing something more real, which would really recover what we have lost, instead of fighting over trivial stuff like God exists or not, it wont change the face of the world if I became an atheist (if it did I promise I’d be the first join these much hyped Atheist groups).
About Gujrat being the most prosperous state I don’t believe in the biased polls of the weekly magazine (tabloids as you say) either. What I wanted was to give an example that if their sorrow theirs happiness too. I agree I put my foot in my mouth with that one; Gujrat is in trouble again facing the wrath of Mother Nature this time :-(.
About America, however prosperous it might be, I am much happier in this poor developing country call India, and I am not ready, craving to go to the land of opportunities (which if I am not assuming too much here- you are). The dimwit comment was on the way they misuse the English language. Otherwise they are a very smart bunch who have marketed all their assets and products (and also those which were not theirs originally) quite well. I’d like to say much more on this, but I’d like to save my “valuable” non-sense for later :p
About the Karma bullshit, Gosh! I have received so much flak for it already. I am sorry for my naivety, but YES I’d like to believe that in the end the bad guys do pay for their deeds and face the wrath.
To end on a more lighter note, as far as the suggestion to join “Atheist” on orkut, thanks but no thanks. That should be clear by now, atleast not in this lifetime dude.
2 comments:
First of all am not aware who Siddharth is. Maybe I know his blogname not his name as such........
Actually wrote that comment while I was hopelessly jobeless and hence had the liberty to extend fullstops to their stretchable limit.(same case now too)
First of all being an Athiest was a self-concious decision and as a child I too was made to believe in that institution. I respect my
god-beleiving parents for their beliefs and so do you to be specific. Its just that my frankness sometimes tends to be percieved as rude.Well I seriously think being truthful is what matters and am seriously trying to reduce the instensity of my crappy writings.And I have no problem in you taking refuge in Him when things go wrong.
Agreed evry person has his/her own set of convictions/faiths/way of life et al, but then they are moulded throughout our lives. With every new experience they change and in some cases they have a "phase reversal"
of sorts. Tell me seriously, most people beleive in god just because they have been doing that since birth and the inherent inertia adds up over time till they are reluctant to leave back what they have stood for so firmly so long.If your god helps you to do good things then I am self sufficient to carry out these things on my own.
Ya agreed that writing blogs does not lead to betterment of society but then it was never meant for that. And how can I criticize
god when I doubt its existence, I just think the tendency to leave things
to Him is harmful and dangerous. Lets not be personal here please and I
never meant to call you an "escapist" or something, but was referring to most god-fearing people's tendency. You see there is a hell of difference between a god-fearing sleek knowledgeable sane intelligent person but
that can be fodder for an ignorant fanatic's mind.
Cheers to your dedicated efforts regarding eradication of evils plaguing our society. I accept fully that I am too lazy to even look after my grades so to look for other people is too much to ask for (pun intended).
No I never taught my servant's child cause because that sort of efforts will harm the child that do him any good. So its better to spare children from my ideologies, cause I disapprove of even the way education is imparted these days. Education Inc. is big bloody business and I dont
want to become part of the blood-sucking tribe.
Point taken that fighting over trivia is trivial in itself. Planning on something to do about it far far easier said than done. I have ideas that are castles in air and the only way I wish to achieve it is through "dessimination of sanity" at the "bottom of the pyramid"
About America I just admire the way it is run and its enterprises. Thw way it functions is just amazing if you compare with any great civilization in the past. I just am amazed about how Apples,Googles,Dells et al were launched and became the legends they are. I wish our society had some of those enterprenaurs so Bhatias would rather stay here to mint money than leave to greener pastures. But then I
have serious problems with the way world affairs are skewed/ twisted/ manipulated by em. Infact am a seriously pissed off and peeved by their all foreign policices right from invasions, oil, middle-east, Kyoto, et al. The list is endless. And about the fact that I am craving to be there, let me make it absolutely clear that its more about one's ability
and liking to be there. "craving" cannot ever take you there. And just hatred for some aspects should not reflect your final views. Hey common do you really think all'd fine and well here? Last but certainly not the
least even if I craved I have already screwed my chances..............
And if you have a craving, dont schelve it cause of your what I am may be wrongly percieving as a narrow-view.
I too had a f***ing convent education but the british lineage did not help me to learn anything other than rote method of cracking exams, rather scrapping through em and missing the axe. Its just plain stunning
to me that convent education taught you these qualities! goodness me, its unbelievable. To me they are no more than rottening rements of "colonial crap" where people send their wards in the hope to hold their heads high when in a conversation with their peers. I seriously doubt their ability to instill any qualities remotely close to what you mentioned or maybe I
was just as indifferent in school too as I am here.(I don't know if the pun is involved here or not)
Then there is also a supposedly zenith of idiotness. That people have the grey cells to call atheism a fallacy but accept god then I msut say I do not expect to make some non-science grads teach basic stuff. Cause any individual with a bit of "convent education" should be taught to be rational and accept possibilities but maybe zenith was explicitly explained the existence of god. "Discources" are mostly addressed by self-confessed "saints" just to mint money and if you too sermonize then its better I dont tread your "discources". I dont need to quench my thirst through a source called "god". For me and for many who are not on the "zenith" but on ground level with zero excitation, H2O works fine.
Ya dude my caps are on cause am on ground, but on zenith the wind is too fast to keep your cap in place. My take is that you will have your hands full trying to hold oon to your caps and while you grapple with it dont bother to shovel crap on lowly earthlings like me. Am fine without your math coaching man.
Ignore me for my spelling mistakes, this old keyboard is on its death-bed.
PS: next time, comment on my blog as my RSS feeds are not working and it will be an eternity before I might notice it.
"Grey cells" .......... you see its all relative. no comments whatsoever on this aspect.
Neither do I budge "maybe atheism a fallacy but faith certainly crap"
Non-science grad philosophy perhaps might overlap more with your's and hence the obvious conclusion. I believe every science grad should be selected basd also on the fact that he is not a believer in truth a.k.a. science and believes in crappy stuff like ......(you know what......I can count on your grey cells for this). All other believers should be studying "the same crap" till they are convinced of its latent/inherent nothingness.
No one was tinkering with your name and I was just telling you the that I too can play with words. Good that you stopped at that rather than continue with another round.
No use pitying me for my convent education dude as probably you too suffered similar fate. And if convent education teaches all those things that was mentioned in the blog, perhaps our society will become a much better place for earthy simpletons like me. Common man , convent education teaches one ethics et al is crap and even you know that but perhaps most people who have been there have a certain heightened sense of importance (read ego). That probably leads them into believing a lot of things which they are not.
My ationality is as rational as rationality itself. Its not adulterated with "crappy stuff".
I like my hair so need for me to have a cap or blinker while your short post is probably cause your ideology is not firm despite a good keyboard maybe. Always keep in mind just like an electron does not remain in excited state for long, so will you have to come to "ground state" from your "zenith". And your webster sure contains thr,hellooo,nebody,thr,dats et al . Oh my god the list is endless. I am sure you are using an antiquated, alein version of webster's. Drop me your id and I will send you a good english dictionary.
No way what you said was crap. Infact most of what I write will probably fall in that category.
Nothing personal here dude, just that I stand about some ideologies very firmly and so do you as I realise now.
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